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[edit] Code-Base Merge

Hey guys,

I just wanted to give you a heads-up. We've been talking about moving HammerWiki over to the main Wikia code-base for a while (since November according to the discussion on this page). It looks like this will be happening very soon--perhaps as soon as a few days from now. You can refer to the Wikia-merger discussion earlier on this page for more information on what this means, but basically you'll get access to our new Monaco theme, as well as DPL and all the other extensions installed on the Wikia code-base.

We'll fill you in with more details as we flesh them out; I just wanted to give you as much warning as possible.

--KyleH 16:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks like this is going to happen tomorrow (Thursday). The main changes that you will notice will be:
  • The main domain will become warhammeronline.wikia.com. All of the current war.gamewikis.org addresses will work and will redirect to this domain.
  • The skin will change to our Monaco skin which will allow you to use widgets, create dynamic navigation menus, and make significant customizations to skin. Check out our Monaco skin for FFXIclopedia. You can see more about the customizations that you can make here.
  • You will be able to use interwiki links to link to any GameWiki or Wikia wiki.
  • You will be able to use all of the standard Wikia features, including YouTube embeds, DPL, and Widgets. You can see an overview of most of the features at http://inside.wikia.com. Also, check out the Special:Createpage extension that we are testing on Age of Conan.
The process should be fairly painless, but there will be plenty of people around to help you with any hangups. Let me know if you have any questions!
--KyleH 17:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
take a look at wikia:Greek War wiki's skin too, i spent a lot of time to make it, and i can help with hammerwiki's skin customization too. Erdimus (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that's a great skin! What do you say Bishop? Do you want to use that one too? Our design team can also help you design a new one if there is a particular look or color you are going for...Let me know Angies 21:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the head up, Kyle. It sounds like the merger is going to bring with it some cool new features, but also some challenges. (Redesigning the logo, reskinning the site, learning not to embed Youtube stuff everywhere, that sort of thing.) I hope and trust the community will be up to handling them. One question, though: what's the final word on how this is going to affect the user accounts? » Bishop · talk « 22:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
The user accounts will be merged in Wikia user account base. While most people will be able to keep their current usernames, if there is a username conflict, the Gamewikis username will be renamed with a prefix. The tech team will post the exact details of how this will work, but the important thing is that the user accounts will be merged as well. --KyleH 00:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Ouch. » Bishop · talk « 01:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Relax :-) We figure out something which should be fine for everybody -- Eloy.wikia 15:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The code-base merge is now complete. The user database has not yet been merged, but will at some point in the future. For the time being, I have the default skin set to monobook so everything looks normal until you have a Monaco skin and logo ready. Let me know if you have any questions. If you notice any bugs, please report them here. --KyleH 22:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page rename

Hi Bishop,

Would you consider moving the main page currently named HammerWiki to The Warhammer Wiki? Right now www.warhammerwiki.com is better us in google ranking, and I think this will help. We did these to several other wiki and dramatic improvements in search rank. thanks! Angies 17:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I think you must mean warhammerwiki.net. Warhammerwiki.com belongs to Wikia (and redirects here). A search for "warhammer wiki" lists warhammerwiki.net first, at any rate (then Wikipedia, then HammerWiki).
I've considered long and hard now, and I understand completely the advantages to having a great page rank. For any website. And since I am very committed to making HammerWiki as successful as it can possibly be, I am very open to suggestions on how we can improve.
However, HammerWiki is not really a Warhammer wiki. We're a Warhammer Online (aka WAR) wiki. The distinction may not be completely clear if you're not closely involved with the genre, but it is an important one to the users (as ongoing discussion here shows). And much effort has gone into branding the project as HammerWiki. A few examples of how well that has worked out are searches such as "war wiki" (Wikipedia, then us), "warhammer online wiki" (Wikipedia, then us), "war online wiki" (same story)...and the list goes on.
In summary, we're branded really well. Our search ranking is excellent. We are becoming quite successful already (consider that the game we document is still not even in open beta!), and one of the reasons we are is that we have a clear focus. If we were to change the name of the wiki, we'd run the risk of alienating users as well as creating potential problems with misunderstandings of the content HammerWiki provides. And once Warhammer Online launches, our search ranking will only solidify further as users discover that we are, by far, the best resource for Warhammer Online.
All that aside, there's a different but no less important point: We're "HammerWiki". Not "The Warhammer Wiki". Nor even warhammeroline at Wikia or some such. HammerWiki is what the editors call us, and that's the name of this site. I politely draw your attention to the fact that no one is talking about calling WoWWiki "The World of Warcraft Wiki"...it is not necessary, and neither will it be for us, in my humble opinion. » Bishop · talk « 18:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Gah! I didn't get an watchlist email when you responded. sorry for the delay. First of all, let me apologize. I meant "Warhammer Online Wiki". I do understand the different between the universes and various franchise factions and the necessity to make your branding clear. If you are comfortable will your current rankings (they are quite good, i must say).. than keep things the way they are. You guys are doing an awesome job on the content and that's what matter most Angies 20:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Angies, for respecting my judgement. It is appreciated. As far as the content, the shout goes out to the entire HammerWiki community who's growing number of members are doing such great work! » Bishop · talk « 20:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish HammerWiki

Hi,

I'm a future spanish warhammer online player and I would like to know If I can create a new wikiweb and translate the contents of the hammerwiki site to spanish language. I could call it the " Hammerwiki Spanish Site"

However, If there is any way to translate directly your articles in the same site without creating a new one, It could be also a good option.

Thanks,

Elerion

PD: My email is anton_planells@hotmail.com

I doubt there would be a problem in that, and to make your job a bit easier, just throw it all into Google Translate or some other online translater. You would still have to look through it all but it should take out a LOT of the work :P I would still wait for Bishop or another admin to give you input on this before doing it, as I am not really that sure on copyright etc. although considering this is a wiki and all, you should be allowed to do it. -Rovdyr 00:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Elerion! I am not a lawyer. But as far as I can tell and understand the premises of the GFDL, you can certainly do what you wish. The only issue is that you have to make sure that it is obvious in your version what the original source was and I believe the GPL also includes a provision that you must make your translated version equally available under the GFDL. You can look at the HammerWiki:GNU-FDL article for the exact provisions.
I don't believe there is currently a way to store several language versions of pages within HammerWiki, so you'll have to start a new Wiki... unless there is already a Spanish WAR-wiki somewhere. I'm sure Wikia would be happy to host it for you, like they do HammerWiki. » Bishop · talk « 11:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a Spanish WAR portal on wikia already: http://es.warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Portada. That would be a good place to start. - Pendrako talk 06:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
If there's nothing better out there, I agree. But there's zero content in that wiki. I haven't gone looking, but I was thinking more along the lines of an existing project with real contributors, if such a one exists. If not, that Wikia one might do nicely as a starting point, if you can live with Wikia. » Bishop · talk « 08:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monaco

Heya! I'm not sure if you have the Community Portal on your watchlist, but I wanted to let you know that we have the custom Monaco skin created, and it would be great to have your feedback and suggestions. You can check out the details on the community portal. --KyleH@Wikia (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll comment when I have some free time. :) » Bishop · talk « 19:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Help needed" widget in the Monaco skin

Hey Bishop, i'm glad you got a laugh out of my mistake ;)

I was wondering if there was a way to add articles in Category:Help needed to the Help Needed Widget (putting them on this page here which is locked to normal users like me, I think) that's availiable in the Monaco skins. I don't actually like Monaco that much, but that functionality - for anyone who has the widget activated and visits the wiki to easily find articles that need help - is great. ~ Revoran 07:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads up - I think I mostly fixed it, so no worries anymore. ~ Revoran | talk 16:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signature stuffed

I suppose i'm starting to sound like i'm whining ;), but I have a nasty feeling i've stuffed something up when creating a custom signature. The signature works perfectly on a normal talk page, however if I go to edit the page, instead of seeing " {{User:Revoran/Sig}} " I see the full code that's on User:Revoran/Sig. I'd like to make it not display the full code to me (or, especially, anyone else), as talk pages are hard enough to navigate when editing them already without moutains of code obscuring comments. I'll sign this comment as a demonstration. ~ Revoran | talk 20:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you've stumbled onto the first of many colorful wiki-questions. As luck would have it, so have most everyone else, and I've made an attempt to document the multi-faceted world of page signing in the proposed HammerWiki:Signature policy. The bit you want is very near the bottom. And do feel free to ask if there's something that needs clearing up. :) » Bishop · talk « 20:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Timeline

Please take some time to read on Revorans redirected new timeline talk.

Thank you for your time.Dd2725 19:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm a little worried about scope and about getting too close to reproducing GW material verbatim (or close to it), both of which are issues that should be considered. But I am not much of a lore-buff myself and I will leave the specifics and discussion in the hands of those who are unless I am specifically asked to arbitrate. » Bishop · talk « 19:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main page, release progress bar

While it's not really a big issue as the game will be releasing soon anyway; I noticed the progress bar image on the main page is a little too long and the boxes on the right side of the page obscure the right end of it. ~ Revoran | talk 02:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe you're viewing it at a rather low resolution? I've tried looking at the front page as a not-logged-in EI user and it looks like crap, obviously, but that's not related to the progress bar. » Bishop · talk « 11:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually that's a possibility. I'm viewing at 1024 x 768 in Firefox 3. Here's a screen. Notice how the progress-towards-release-date bar goes off the side and behind (where there would be, if I didn't have adblock on) an ad? ~ Revoran | talk 12:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, definitely a screen-size issue. The Monaco side bar takes up too much room. Not much we can do about that, especially since I accidentally deleted the originals for those bars. On the bright side, most users are going to be at a higher res, although I fully believe 1024x768 should still be well supported (800x600 not so much any more). » Bishop · talk « 12:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just a heads up

I'm having a fair bit of trouble with my shcooling - i'm in year 12 (6th form / senior year) and it's important I qualify for our final shcool leaver's certificate; the HSC, for what I want to do after shcool. I'm actually doing pretty badly for various reasons =/ and I have a window here where I can salvage my chances of achieving that qualification by working my ass off. Because of that, my contributions to the wiki might be erratic for the next month, particularly the next week or two. Not a great time I know. I'm not saying I won't contribute or anything like that, just that if anything seems weird - that's why.

And uh, about my comment to that argumentative user: sorry if it seemed like I was putting you down or "taking care" of the situation. It's just my habit to try and mediate... even if you are quite capable of sorting yourself and him out, as a mature individual. Let me know if it ever gets to be too annoying and i'll work on it. :) ~ Revoran | talk 09:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Giving some users extra priveliges

Hey Bishop, as the wiki has recently gotten very busy. And by "very" I mean "a fucking lot" ;) - what would you say to giving some of the more active and reliable users extra priveliges? Namely, the ability to rollback edits - so it's easier for them to comat vandalism, and it might encourage them to contribute even more than normal - ?

The fact is you and Pendrako have real life to deal with, and it's becoming increasingly like that for me as I approach my leaving exams in about 5 weeks or so.

Obviously User:Sunspots is helpful and has been active for a long time, so i'd reccomend him, and if User:Mikeblack was still active, i'd reccomend him as well. There are also newer users that have been very helpful like User talk:Heaven's Agent and User:WTarrasque as well as many others, but as they're new you might not wish to do that yet. User:Gem and User:Rovdyr also certainly know their way 'round wikis, when they do contribute. Yes? No? Maybe? ;) Let me know what you think. The main issue here is that I can't patrol recent changes alone with the quanitity of new traffick. ~ Revoran | talk 04:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

As a further example: As I was in a rush at the time; I mistakenly banned a user when she was blanking pages (turns out she was trying to move them but couldn't as she isn't autoconfirmed yet, but that wasn't clear to me at a cursory glance) - the situation is rectified now, but I'd rather not make errors like that on any kind of regular basis. ~ Revoran | talk 04:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I suppose that if users could handle this kind of responsibility (as i'm sure many can) it would make them better suited to consider for admin-ship later on, or even sooner if there is that great of a need :) ~ Revoran | talk 04:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, rollback privileges can be granted to specific users without giving them other admin tools. I would be fine with you going ahead and doing that for a handful of people whom you consider good candidates. If it turns out I am needed to increase the privileges, let me know. I'm hard pressed for time right now. » Bishop · talk « 06:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Special:UserRights requires a Beaurocrat to edit it, so whenever you get a second I recommend Sunspots and Heaven's Agent, as well as any others you feel like. Hope your real life issue resolves well :) ~ Revoran | talk 05:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- I noticed on Wikipedia all sysops can grant Rollback rights on their own judgement, but when we're nowhere near as big as them, there probably isn't much need to allow that, or waste time figuring out which page to edit so it's allowed etc. ~ Revoran | talk 05:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Done. » Bishop · talk « 11:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Bishop, hope you're having a good time. Could you do us a favour and give rollback priveliges to User:WTarrasque? He's shown himself to be a responsible editor from what i've seen, (you can always check his contributions, i've been looking through them). After this, I don't think we'll need another use with rollback for a while, and even then, it can't hurt can it? Thankfully i'm almost finished those final exams (last one on thurs) so I can more productive things (odd irony for the win?). The relevant talk for this is on User talk:WTarrasque#A proposal for you. ~ Revoran | talk 05:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Javascript/AJAX + Mouseovers

Bishop, I have been doing alot of research on having the ability to perform mouse-overs. I talked with a few people over at the WoWWiki site, and was given this information: User PCJ is the creator of the tool that utilizes this functionality.

From Pcj's page: Can you help me port your tooltips to my wiki? I can, and the easiest way to do this is to contact me via my talk page. Note that to make it as easy as possible I will need administrator access to your wiki (or a test wiki with all the relevant templates you want to implement the functionality with).

Is it possible that you guys can contact him and have him set it up? I know javascript fairly well, but if he is willing to do it, it seems best that the creator ensures its working properly! Let me know what I can do to help/facilitate.

Saraai 21:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I think this could be a good idea, but I have little time to dedicate at the moment. I would be uncomfortable with assigning privileges of that kind to someone I have not worked with before. Perhaps you could talk to either Kirkburn or KyleH, they are Wikia staff assigned to HammerWiki and Kirkburn has all the experience in the world with WoWWiki, he probably knows what to do. --» Bishop · talk « 06:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I have posted/emailed multiple times to Kirkburn about this and have heard nothing. Pcj is THE creator of the mouse-over. I understand having issue giving him max rights to the site. Do we have a beta-build or a clone of the site that he can get things working? I'd really like to see this functionality available to us. Saraai 20:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If Kirkburn isn't responding, try KyleH. Or apply a little patience, I'm sure he's not ignoring you on purpose. :) » Bishop · talk « 23:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Is a week and a half not patient? :P In fact when I went back to Kirkburns wiki, my question/post had been removed. So maybe it was moved to someone else. I do hope someone is looking into it! I'm not in a rush to have it right now, its just a "nice to have" thing.

[edit] Gah

I bought it, but it doesn't like my graphics card or something -- I have to use flaky, significantly slow drivers so that the client doesn't crash every 20 minutes. Makes RvR pretty impossible.

On the upside, makes me glad I chose not to spend the last year working on this wiki. :)

Did you guys ever get around to making that research guild? I see a wiki page on it, but not enough activity to suggest the guild exists.

—Tanaric 22:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha, hi Tanaric, good to hear from you. I hope you get the gfx-issues resolved, it really is a fun game. As far as WIKI goes, I do not believe anything currently exists... probably mostly because I have not taken the time to lead it (I ended up being appointed GM of an unrelated guild and I don't feel like I have time for two). » Bishop · talk « 12:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Hello. I come to you in hopes that you are not as inactive as you appear to be, since you are one of three people on the wiki (as far as I know) with the "power" I seek. The headline is "Vandal" and the IP in question is to be found here, while the page vandalized can be found here. As seen in the edit history, I once once tried to undo an edit, but without a rollback I had to copy from a previous history page and paste it as a new edit. Now, the vandal has returned, and I am either blind or there is no way to leave a message on a talk page of some sort for this IP. What's needed is obviously a rollback, or several, past both my and the IP's edits to the original, and in my opinion (though I'm not the one to judge) the IP should also be banned (duration is up to you) as I feel this is intended vandalism, and repeated targeted one as well. Sorry if I'm coming on too strong or acting out of line, but I don't know how else to solve this. -- Sacropedia 16:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Heaven's Agent already took care of the rollback. I'm not going to intervene at this time, but feel free to let me know again if the issue is not resolved. --» Bishop · talk « 20:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sysop?

I'd be honored; contributors come and go, and it seems we've just hit a point where those with such privileges are basically taking a break all at once. It happens, but doesn't help when things come up. I'll do what I can to fill that absence. -- Heaven's Agent 21:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


[edit] TOC Templates

I wonder if this is Moot because of the Wiki-Namespace merge. I have worked on this page: What do We Have Here? and I feel it's Table of Contents is really far too large. I was wondering if we could import a ToC-depth limiter, as is described here: [[1]]

This would allow large pages, or those with weird section formatting, to have a more manageable ToC. ◄WTarrasque► ( T | C | F ) 04:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Since the page is basically one big TOC in itself, it is simpler and probably better to slap a __NOTOC__ on it instead, I think. » Bishop · talk « 15:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you are mostly right. The page may be long enough to have a depth-1 ToC tho. Perhaps a __NOTOC__ and a custom-coded ToC would be best? ◄WTarrasque► ( T | C | F ) 17:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a fine plan to me, assuming you code the custom TOC yourself. ;) » Bishop · talk « 20:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Warhammer Invasion

I'm trying to add some flavor text to the abilities page (which I'm reworking from scratch, check Flee for a prototype) but I don't have places where to pluck quotes from, Warhammer Invasion (the card game from fantasy flight) has some good licensed material that is easy to use, but I don't know anyone who has it, could you please work some Public Relations magic and get me someone who can transcribe me some of the flavor texts there?

Or maybe just provide some nice usable quotes from other sources, BL books, RPG, and whatnot. I'll try to associate them with pages that make sense.

I'm also reworking the css on my personal monaco.css (you can see it by copying the content of http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/User:KyleH/monaco.css), any opinion is welcome. --SirRandomage 12:21, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Love the idea. But I am not part of Wikia staff (my bureaucrat status was grandfathered in from the ancient times) and as such, can't do much in relation to copyright and related issues. I'd talk to KyleH or one of the other bona fide Wikia employees if I were you. --» Bishop · talk « 14:52, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't going for a Staff discussion, I saw in your profile that you're a big fan, and thought you might have some friends or e-friends with that game that could help me with some juicy quote. --Madness ❧ talk 15:07, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. I'm afraid I can't be of any help there. I hope you find what you seek and keep in mind that you may need to clear it with staff before you use quotes from official Warhammer material (GW are pretty uptight about copyright issues). --» Bishop · talk « 15:18, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bureucrat

I'm formally asking for admin rights, the higher the better, I need to be able to edit some protected stuff. --Madness ❧ talk 15:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't grant bureaucrat status even if I wanted to. Only Wikia staff could do that, and I don't think they ever do any more. But that's neither here nor there. The point is, should I grant you sysop status? It sure looks like you're a complete shoe-in, but I really haven't been active enough on the wiki lately to be a good judge. I wouldn't want to step into some long-running argument I'm unaware of and hand one party a loaded gun. So here's what I propose: I'm going to be gone for a few days, probably up to a week. If you would be so kind as to get one of the more active sysops (I think I saw HeavensAgent running around here somewhere?) to post here that you're not in any serious active disputes, I will grant you sysop privileges when I return. This is the best I can think of, short of simply referring you to Wikia staff, because I don't feel it would be honest of me to drop by and promote on a whim after all this time. --» Bishop · talk « 21:03, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
I'd gladly go ask someone else, but you're the only bureucrat in here. --Madness ❧ talk 21:09, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
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